Hannibal 3x12 Thoughts
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It was great. [But a bit too gorey.]
• I loved the first scene between Will and Bedelia. Basically I love any time they discuss Hannibal and feelings. And honestly interact at all.
Bedelia: If I'm to be Bluebeard's wife I would have preferred to be the last.
Will: Is Hannibal... in love with me?
Bedelia: Could he daily feel a stab of hunger for you, and find nourishment at the very sight of you? (pause) Yes. But do you ache for him?
♥ So it's 100% canon then that Hannibal is in love with Will, right? I mean I've thought it was canon since the beginning of the season but this is completely explicit. Not even 'loves me' but "in love with".
More importantly Will doesn't answer her. We have spent the entire season getting Will to this point where he can understand that Hannibal is in love with him and to a place where he can even understand what his answer would be. Because the answer is yes. We've seen it. Even though he shouldn't (really shouldn't), even though he doesn't want to, even though Hannibal is terrible and has done truly dreadful things to Will himself, he really really does. Now is he in love with Hannibal? Eh, I don't know. How do define love? Does Will long to be near Hannibal, does he miss him when they are apart, does he find nourishment when with Hannibal, does he feel helplessly drawn to Hannibal? Yes.
+ I loved Will's expression before he asked and I loved it after Bedelia's 'yes'. I loved the background turning black and Will fading out as Hannibal fades in.
+ Two other lines I liked from this discussion:
"Hannibal gave you three years to build a family confident that he'd would find a way to take them away from you." - Bedelia. 'Gave'? Interesting choice of words.
"It excites him to know that you are marked in this particular way." ♥ I love everything about this line.
• The Hannibal/Alana/Jack scene post mail delivery scene was excellent. Very fun. Hannibal was enjoying himself so much. That flashback to Hannibal eating the lip was hilarious. I admit I laughed. At the same time Hannibal actually looked genuinely scary at that moment. I loved the visual of Jack holding the lip on a tray out to Hannibal because it looked like he was serving it to Hannibal.
• I loved broken Will holding himself together in his last session by empathising with Bedelia and mirroring her.
• Dolarhyde's kidnapping of Chilton was tense and scary. But... oh god, oh god, my eyes. That was awful and gross. Ugh. I had to look away and I still saw too much. Then they kept throwing random looks at lipless Chilton and nooooo, stop. Chilton's fate was horrifying. He's a pretty terrible person (if amusing) but mostly only in the way that he's an arrogant asshole and he didn't deserve any of what happened. No one deserves that. I can't believe he survived everything. I'm glad because I kind of love the character ( I blame Raúl Esparza) but how??
• I loved the Chilton/Hannibal scene. I found Chilton's increasing frustration, shrillness and anger amusing. My favourite part: "This was quantifiably bitchy! Do you think I'm your nemesis?" LOLOLOL <-- which was basically Hannibal's reaction too. Could his 'no' response have had any more amusement in it? He found the very idea hilarious. There was a smile.
• As with Alana Chilton being rude to Hannibal had me wanting to yell at the screen to stop antagonizing and being rude to Hannibal. When he leaned so close to the air holes I was worried and was half-expecting Hannibal to dart forward and grab him. The holes are really big! The one 'positive' of what happened to him is the fact that Hannibal likely won't go after him once he inevitably escapes. Alana on the other hand gets another mark on the Alana death foreshadowing - Hannibal pointing out her 'discourtesy' in letting Chilton do what she knew would likely be fatal.
• Chilton's actual kidnapping was a great scene. I loved the juxtaposition of Chilton being all self-aggrandizing on his phone while in the background unknown to him his bodyguards are shot.
• Chilton's expressions at Will's contributions to the 'interview' were hilarious. Very "woooow, maybe tone it down a bit there, dude".
• "Yeeahhh...." Jack! Will mentions that the Red Dragon has killed 7 out of 11 people with head shots and that's your response?! Holy crap. His laser focus on catching the 'Tooth Fairy' has been intense to a negative degree from the very beginning -- he knew that bringing Will back would be seriously bad for him, he knew letting Will talk to Hannibal would be bad too but he still did it, just as he's always done -- but this is a whole new level of carelessness with Will's well being.
• Hannibal and Jack's talk was interesting. Hannibal's talk about Will as 'the lamb', how "his retribution is even more deadly than the dragon's" and "the lamb is becoming a lion" is kind of ominous. Will is definitely on an edge again. He's separated from his family not only physically but emotionally. He feels the blame for what happened to them and Chilton. He's become too connected with Dolarhyde and he's starting to unravel. Plus he's being forced to confront his feelings for Hannibal after learning what Hannibal really feels for him.
• I don't agree with the idea that Will was setting Chilton up by putting his hand on him in the photo. I mean how does that even work - would Dolarhyde not have kidnapped/tortured Chilton if Will hadn't done that? That makes no sense to me. He still would have taken Chilton. I suppose that by putting his hand on Chilton he was implying a familiarity between them and thus after losing Will's family an angry Red Dragon might consider Chilton an especially choice target.
But honestly if you want to blame Will here why not focus on the fact that Will's descriptions of Dolarhyde were attributed to Chilton and are what really pissed Dolarhyde off? That's why Dolarhyde went after Chilton (he even says so!) so I don't understand why both Bedelia and Chilton bring up the hand.
There is also blame to be had for Jack and Will for coming up with the terrible plan of angering Dolarhyde into lashing out in the first place and to Alana for recommending that they needed a psychiatrist and choosing Chilton even though she was certain of the danger. Also leaving Chilton wandering around with only the two guards was a bad idea. Did Freddie even get any protection?
That said the idea that Will was subconsciously putting emphasis on Chilton by putting his hand on him, that his words were chosen specifically to paint a bullseye on Chilton and thus he was acting as Hannibal's agency in the world is scary and fascinating.
At the same time Bedelia was very much all "you're not a killer" during their session two episodes ago and now suddenly she seems to have switched her tune a bit. She's even using Hannibal's words when describing Will as "participatory" which I thought interesting. It seems as if she thinks Will took her advice to 'crush the bird' instead of helping (though I'm not entirely sold on that.)
TBH, I found myself wondering if Bedelia isn't Hannibal's agency in the world. Her first session with Will was very much in line with what we've seen of them what with the sniping, jealousy and back & forth but the second session felt like it went in a slightly different direction. This last time felt like Bedelia as Hannibal, like Bedelia was pushing Will in a certain direction.
It was great. [But a bit too gorey.]
• I loved the first scene between Will and Bedelia. Basically I love any time they discuss Hannibal and feelings. And honestly interact at all.
Bedelia: If I'm to be Bluebeard's wife I would have preferred to be the last.
Will: Is Hannibal... in love with me?
Bedelia: Could he daily feel a stab of hunger for you, and find nourishment at the very sight of you? (pause) Yes. But do you ache for him?
♥ So it's 100% canon then that Hannibal is in love with Will, right? I mean I've thought it was canon since the beginning of the season but this is completely explicit. Not even 'loves me' but "in love with".
More importantly Will doesn't answer her. We have spent the entire season getting Will to this point where he can understand that Hannibal is in love with him and to a place where he can even understand what his answer would be. Because the answer is yes. We've seen it. Even though he shouldn't (really shouldn't), even though he doesn't want to, even though Hannibal is terrible and has done truly dreadful things to Will himself, he really really does. Now is he in love with Hannibal? Eh, I don't know. How do define love? Does Will long to be near Hannibal, does he miss him when they are apart, does he find nourishment when with Hannibal, does he feel helplessly drawn to Hannibal? Yes.
+ I loved Will's expression before he asked and I loved it after Bedelia's 'yes'. I loved the background turning black and Will fading out as Hannibal fades in.
+ Two other lines I liked from this discussion:
"Hannibal gave you three years to build a family confident that he'd would find a way to take them away from you." - Bedelia. 'Gave'? Interesting choice of words.
"It excites him to know that you are marked in this particular way." ♥ I love everything about this line.
• The Hannibal/Alana/Jack scene post mail delivery scene was excellent. Very fun. Hannibal was enjoying himself so much. That flashback to Hannibal eating the lip was hilarious. I admit I laughed. At the same time Hannibal actually looked genuinely scary at that moment. I loved the visual of Jack holding the lip on a tray out to Hannibal because it looked like he was serving it to Hannibal.
• I loved broken Will holding himself together in his last session by empathising with Bedelia and mirroring her.
• Dolarhyde's kidnapping of Chilton was tense and scary. But... oh god, oh god, my eyes. That was awful and gross. Ugh. I had to look away and I still saw too much. Then they kept throwing random looks at lipless Chilton and nooooo, stop. Chilton's fate was horrifying. He's a pretty terrible person (if amusing) but mostly only in the way that he's an arrogant asshole and he didn't deserve any of what happened. No one deserves that. I can't believe he survived everything. I'm glad because I kind of love the character ( I blame Raúl Esparza) but how??
• I loved the Chilton/Hannibal scene. I found Chilton's increasing frustration, shrillness and anger amusing. My favourite part: "This was quantifiably bitchy! Do you think I'm your nemesis?" LOLOLOL <-- which was basically Hannibal's reaction too. Could his 'no' response have had any more amusement in it? He found the very idea hilarious. There was a smile.
• As with Alana Chilton being rude to Hannibal had me wanting to yell at the screen to stop antagonizing and being rude to Hannibal. When he leaned so close to the air holes I was worried and was half-expecting Hannibal to dart forward and grab him. The holes are really big! The one 'positive' of what happened to him is the fact that Hannibal likely won't go after him once he inevitably escapes. Alana on the other hand gets another mark on the Alana death foreshadowing - Hannibal pointing out her 'discourtesy' in letting Chilton do what she knew would likely be fatal.
• Chilton's actual kidnapping was a great scene. I loved the juxtaposition of Chilton being all self-aggrandizing on his phone while in the background unknown to him his bodyguards are shot.
• Chilton's expressions at Will's contributions to the 'interview' were hilarious. Very "woooow, maybe tone it down a bit there, dude".
• "Yeeahhh...." Jack! Will mentions that the Red Dragon has killed 7 out of 11 people with head shots and that's your response?! Holy crap. His laser focus on catching the 'Tooth Fairy' has been intense to a negative degree from the very beginning -- he knew that bringing Will back would be seriously bad for him, he knew letting Will talk to Hannibal would be bad too but he still did it, just as he's always done -- but this is a whole new level of carelessness with Will's well being.
• Hannibal and Jack's talk was interesting. Hannibal's talk about Will as 'the lamb', how "his retribution is even more deadly than the dragon's" and "the lamb is becoming a lion" is kind of ominous. Will is definitely on an edge again. He's separated from his family not only physically but emotionally. He feels the blame for what happened to them and Chilton. He's become too connected with Dolarhyde and he's starting to unravel. Plus he's being forced to confront his feelings for Hannibal after learning what Hannibal really feels for him.
• I don't agree with the idea that Will was setting Chilton up by putting his hand on him in the photo. I mean how does that even work - would Dolarhyde not have kidnapped/tortured Chilton if Will hadn't done that? That makes no sense to me. He still would have taken Chilton. I suppose that by putting his hand on Chilton he was implying a familiarity between them and thus after losing Will's family an angry Red Dragon might consider Chilton an especially choice target.
But honestly if you want to blame Will here why not focus on the fact that Will's descriptions of Dolarhyde were attributed to Chilton and are what really pissed Dolarhyde off? That's why Dolarhyde went after Chilton (he even says so!) so I don't understand why both Bedelia and Chilton bring up the hand.
There is also blame to be had for Jack and Will for coming up with the terrible plan of angering Dolarhyde into lashing out in the first place and to Alana for recommending that they needed a psychiatrist and choosing Chilton even though she was certain of the danger. Also leaving Chilton wandering around with only the two guards was a bad idea. Did Freddie even get any protection?
That said the idea that Will was subconsciously putting emphasis on Chilton by putting his hand on him, that his words were chosen specifically to paint a bullseye on Chilton and thus he was acting as Hannibal's agency in the world is scary and fascinating.
At the same time Bedelia was very much all "you're not a killer" during their session two episodes ago and now suddenly she seems to have switched her tune a bit. She's even using Hannibal's words when describing Will as "participatory" which I thought interesting. It seems as if she thinks Will took her advice to 'crush the bird' instead of helping (though I'm not entirely sold on that.)
TBH, I found myself wondering if Bedelia isn't Hannibal's agency in the world. Her first session with Will was very much in line with what we've seen of them what with the sniping, jealousy and back & forth but the second session felt like it went in a slightly different direction. This last time felt like Bedelia as Hannibal, like Bedelia was pushing Will in a certain direction.
