Agents of Shield 3x19 & 3x20 Thoughts
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iaria3x19 'Failed Experiments' - My favourite part of the episode were the Daisy/Mack scenes. Mack trying so hard to save her and refusing to fight her. "That team cares about you. I care about you. ... Friends. Partners." ♥ I love them. It was really hard to watch her beat the crap out of him. I also loved that shot of Hive holding Daisy and May watching them as the team is retreats.
3x20 'Emancipation'
+ First - just how canon is AOS with the MCU? I know that AOS ties itself in with what happens in the movies but are the events of AOS considered equivalent to movie events and thus should be considered MCU canon? Because what was said about the Accords this episode were directly contrary to what I got from Civil War and I need to know if that was a failure on the part of the movie (which, they didn't really go into too many details, annoyingly enough) or if AOS is doing it's own thing?
The impression I left the theatre with is that the Accords were entirely about the Avengers (and perhaps similarly powered-beings) that act/work on a worldwide basis. It was about UN oversight and control over their actions as it relates to them acting all over the world. So about 'heroes' not the normal random enhanced/powered beings which is why they had the option to retire/agree to not continue being superheroes. Now the Accords could certainly go badly or be used for ill purposes pretty easily (such as them being sent against people who aren't in the wrong) but it didn't appear to be in the text of the Accords. Thus the ethical/moral questions about whether it should be supported or not was left ambiguous. Neither side was entirely right nor wrong. That's what made the movie work. I mean there was a lot of miscommunication and the need for them to just damn well sit down and talk, (and I think Tony/Natasha had the right idea while Steve was wrong to rejected it out of hand,) but each side was represented well enough that neither stuck out as completely wrong.
Whereas the TV show suddenly throws out the idea that the Sokovia Accords called for any powered person to be added to a Register with a database being made to keep track of all of them (and everything about them). Basically the Sokovia Accords are the Superhuman Registration Accords.
Which... no. That doesn't fit at all from what I got from Civil War and frankly I think it actively works against the movie. 1) I have a really hard time buying any of the Avengers supporting that. 2) If registration was a part of the Accords then it damn well should have been mentioned in the movie. The fact that neither Steve nor anyone else on his team brings registration up during their many arguments over it makes me think it wasn't actually in the Accords. If the Accords really were the basis for a global Superhero registration the ambiguity over who was right and who was wrong is suddenly gone. So, yeah, I'm just ignoring this as far as the movie side of the MCU is concerned.
Or... fanwank: the US government/Talbot are using the Accords as an excuse and springboard to start a Superhuman Registry but it's not actually a part of the Accords (and certainly is not a requirement of them.) I think this ties things together
Anyway, as for the episode:
+ This situation, even more than normal, really does feel like they need to be calling the Avengers in. I mean granted right now it's Tony, Vision and maybe Rhodey but still. World-ending here. I'm pretty sure Tony would pick up that phone and Steve would answer. T'Challa would probably be interested too.
+ I'm a little disappointed with how Lash died. He should have been there to destroy Hive. We even get to see him using a nifty Hive destroying blue light. I don't mind him going to de-Hive Daisy but instead of gently carrying her to the jet he should have immediately turned back to his biological imperative/mission to destroy Hive. It all ended up feeling a little anticlimactic. Unless Daisy now somehow has those powers because that could be interesting.
That said I did like that you could see the affection that Daisy and Andrew had for each other in that scene. I guess you could say it was the human in Lash that brought him down. Perhaps that is what will kill Hive in the end too.
+ I liked that little moment of May with Lash's body. In retrospect her being with Lash when Coulson introduced Talbot to him becomes really sad because I'm sure that was her saying goodbye.
+ I liked Coulson's reaction to Peggy's death. I wish we could have seen Jemma's reaction as well considering what a Peggy fangirl she is.
+ I really liked the twist that Lincoln has been working with May secretly to fool Daisy.
+ I'm really happy that Mack survived Daisy's beat down but I call bullshit on just how well he was doing. He shouldn't have even been able to walk and his injuries should have been far more severe. Maybe he was right that there was a part of her fighting and thus she wasn't actually hitting him at full strength nor aiming for his weakest points?
3x20 'Emancipation'
+ First - just how canon is AOS with the MCU? I know that AOS ties itself in with what happens in the movies but are the events of AOS considered equivalent to movie events and thus should be considered MCU canon? Because what was said about the Accords this episode were directly contrary to what I got from Civil War and I need to know if that was a failure on the part of the movie (which, they didn't really go into too many details, annoyingly enough) or if AOS is doing it's own thing?
The impression I left the theatre with is that the Accords were entirely about the Avengers (and perhaps similarly powered-beings) that act/work on a worldwide basis. It was about UN oversight and control over their actions as it relates to them acting all over the world. So about 'heroes' not the normal random enhanced/powered beings which is why they had the option to retire/agree to not continue being superheroes. Now the Accords could certainly go badly or be used for ill purposes pretty easily (such as them being sent against people who aren't in the wrong) but it didn't appear to be in the text of the Accords. Thus the ethical/moral questions about whether it should be supported or not was left ambiguous. Neither side was entirely right nor wrong. That's what made the movie work. I mean there was a lot of miscommunication and the need for them to just damn well sit down and talk, (and I think Tony/Natasha had the right idea while Steve was wrong to rejected it out of hand,) but each side was represented well enough that neither stuck out as completely wrong.
Whereas the TV show suddenly throws out the idea that the Sokovia Accords called for any powered person to be added to a Register with a database being made to keep track of all of them (and everything about them). Basically the Sokovia Accords are the Superhuman Registration Accords.
Which... no. That doesn't fit at all from what I got from Civil War and frankly I think it actively works against the movie. 1) I have a really hard time buying any of the Avengers supporting that. 2) If registration was a part of the Accords then it damn well should have been mentioned in the movie. The fact that neither Steve nor anyone else on his team brings registration up during their many arguments over it makes me think it wasn't actually in the Accords. If the Accords really were the basis for a global Superhero registration the ambiguity over who was right and who was wrong is suddenly gone. So, yeah, I'm just ignoring this as far as the movie side of the MCU is concerned.
Or... fanwank: the US government/Talbot are using the Accords as an excuse and springboard to start a Superhuman Registry but it's not actually a part of the Accords (and certainly is not a requirement of them.) I think this ties things together
Anyway, as for the episode:
+ This situation, even more than normal, really does feel like they need to be calling the Avengers in. I mean granted right now it's Tony, Vision and maybe Rhodey but still. World-ending here. I'm pretty sure Tony would pick up that phone and Steve would answer. T'Challa would probably be interested too.
+ I'm a little disappointed with how Lash died. He should have been there to destroy Hive. We even get to see him using a nifty Hive destroying blue light. I don't mind him going to de-Hive Daisy but instead of gently carrying her to the jet he should have immediately turned back to his biological imperative/mission to destroy Hive. It all ended up feeling a little anticlimactic. Unless Daisy now somehow has those powers because that could be interesting.
That said I did like that you could see the affection that Daisy and Andrew had for each other in that scene. I guess you could say it was the human in Lash that brought him down. Perhaps that is what will kill Hive in the end too.
+ I liked that little moment of May with Lash's body. In retrospect her being with Lash when Coulson introduced Talbot to him becomes really sad because I'm sure that was her saying goodbye.
+ I liked Coulson's reaction to Peggy's death. I wish we could have seen Jemma's reaction as well considering what a Peggy fangirl she is.
+ I really liked the twist that Lincoln has been working with May secretly to fool Daisy.
+ I'm really happy that Mack survived Daisy's beat down but I call bullshit on just how well he was doing. He shouldn't have even been able to walk and his injuries should have been far more severe. Maybe he was right that there was a part of her fighting and thus she wasn't actually hitting him at full strength nor aiming for his weakest points?
